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I recall reading about this but don't remember the thread.

I tried moving some of my large folders to my MSS. In the process it started to complain about filenames. I suspect it has to do w/ long file names, some w/ characters that Windows probably doesn't like. I'm used to a complete HFS+ environment. Is there a way around this? This could be a deal killer...
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oldskoolboarder wrote:
I recall reading about this but don't remember the thread.

I tried moving some of my large folders to my MSS. In the process it started to complain about filenames. I suspect it has to do w/ long file names, some w/ characters that Windows probably doesn't like. I'm used to a complete HFS+ environment. Is there a way around this? This could be a deal killer...


From http://support.grouplogic.com/?p=1607
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The following characters are invalid as file or folder names on Windows using NTFS: / ? < > \ : * | ” and any character you can type with the Ctrl key.

Under Windows using the NTFS file system file and folder names may be up to 256 characters long

Under Window the length of a full path is 260 characters

In addition to these characters, the following conventions are also illegal:
Placing a space at the end of the name
Placing a period at the end of the name

The following file names are also reserved under Windows:
com1, com2, com3, com4, com5, com6, com7, com8, com9, lpt1, lpt2, lpt3, lpt4, lpt5, lpt6, lpt7, lpt8, lpt9, con, nul, and prn

Also, NTFS is not case sensitive, so MyFile.DMG is the same as myfile.dmg and any other combination of letter cases.

Unless you want to create large DMG files to store your other files in you are pretty much stuck with the limits NTFS imposes on you.

You know, Apple could make a killing in the Home Server market. Slap a SATA backplane on a Mini and Bob's your uncle.
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I don't suppose I could attach my HFS+ USB HDD to the USB port of the MSS, could I? I guess that would be too convenient.
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I don't suppose I could attach my HFS+ USB HDD to the USB port of the MSS, could I? I guess that would be too convenient.


Well, you could, but the server wouldn't be able to talk to it. It would be like putting a DVD in a CD-ROM drive. Sure, it fits, but the drive doesn't have the right laser to read it. Windows would see the USB device, but it doesn't have the ability to read the file system.
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Crap. It also occurred to me that my large iTunes library contains audiobooks and videos w/ long filenames. I suppose I'll have to think this purchase through now...
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oldskoolboarder wrote:
I recall reading about this but don't remember the thread.

I tried moving some of my large folders to my MSS. In the process it started to complain about filenames. I suspect it has to do w/ long file names, some w/ characters that Windows probably doesn't like. I'm used to a complete HFS+ environment. Is there a way around this? This could be a deal killer...

Do you want to share those folders with somebody or just keep them at the server? If the second one is the case, you can consider the HP's Backup disk for Mac - it is actually usual HFS+ volume, so can be used not only for TM backup, but for any other purpose file system is used.
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oldskoolboarder wrote:
I recall reading about this but don't remember the thread.

I tried moving some of my large folders to my MSS. In the process it started to complain about filenames. I suspect it has to do w/ long file names, some w/ characters that Windows probably doesn't like. I'm used to a complete HFS+ environment. Is there a way around this? This could be a deal killer...

Do you want to share those folders with somebody or just keep them at the server? If the second one is the case, you can consider the HP's Backup disk for Mac - it is actually usual HFS+ volume, so can be used not only for TM backup, but for any other purpose file system is used.


Yes, the second case, I just want to keep my files on the server and use the folder duplication for redundancy.

What is HP's Backup Disk for Mac? Are you talking about the large Backup Disk file that is created for use with Time Machine? Is that special Backup folder formatted as HFS+? That would be a good thing for me.
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What is HP's Backup Disk for Mac? Are you talking about the large Backup Disk file that is created for use with Time Machine? Is that special Backup folder formatted as HFS+? That would be a good thing for me.

yes, and almost yes (it is not folder, rather file image), but folder duplication won't be available for it
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What is HP's Backup Disk for Mac? Are you talking about the large Backup Disk file that is created for use with Time Machine? Is that special Backup folder formatted as HFS+? That would be a good thing for me.

yes, and almost yes (it is not folder, rather file image), but folder duplication won't be available for it


Thanks.

OK, here's the weird thing. I copied some problem files to that Mac Backup folder and no problems. Then I copied the same files to the MSS default VIDEO folder and it worked. One file is called Fetch!_With_Ruff_Ruffman_Blossom_Bawls_While_Ruff_Has_a_Ball_With_Balls_KTEHDT4_1254375000.TiVo. (My kids like the show, I think it's funny.) This file copied fine. But IIUC, the VIDEO folder is NTFS so this would be an invalid filename.

What gives?
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That file name is 95 characters and has no illegal characters. With the path of D:\folders\videos\ it's 115 characters, still way under the 260 character limit. Now if you nest them under multiple folders the length starts adding up....

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ah...probably the nested folders.
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